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Excellent nuanced post Michael, I am in basic agreement with your points, the overall point to me is the way Israel or Hamas is waging this war is just totally counter-productive - for example Israel doesn't appear to have any real end game so one side effect will be just inciting a new generation of Hamas terrorists. I would add is that a number of individuals and groups are taking one side or the other to partly just carve out their own kind of 'brand' - look at the way some commentators like Douglass Murray are pretty much ADF apologists, and ditto Sky News, while on the other side the Australian Greens are so pro-Palestine you would have to doubt if they have any support at all in the Jewish community. There have been war crimes on both sides, and the sooner they both come together with Isreal having a cease fire and Hamas returning the hostages the better.

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Liffman on Israel: A Gentile's Perspective

Like most of my early acquaintances, I grew up in a comfortable middleclass Melbourne suburb where everybody was of Anglo-Saxon descent. So when, at Burwood Teachers College in 1961, during a discussion of the history of classical music, our music teacher remarked that there was one people who had made a greater contribution to classical music than anyone else, we were all stumped for an answer. No, it wasn't the Germans, he said. It wasn't the French or the Italians. In response to our blank expressions he finally said: "It was the Jews."

That was my first real introduction to the significant contribution of the Jewish people to Western culture. Later on, I went to Melbourne University and I found that many of the students and teachers and thinkers I was most drawn to and admired were Jewish

I became aware of the long history of Anti-Semitism and sympathised with the Jewish people, and condemned their on-going victimisation.

The creation of the state of Israel seemed like a godsend. The Jews finally had a place they could call home. I meet inspiring people who were putting their ideals into practice on Kibbutzim. And joined in the condemnation of those who tried to destroy the new country.

My love and admiration for my Jewish friends and acquaintances around the world remains unabated, but in recent years I have begun to feel uneasy about the direction in which some of its leaders are taking the state of Israel, as are many Jews, both inside and outside Israel.

I'd like to make a few brief comments on some of Michael's 15 Statements. Those I wholeheartedly endorse I have skipped over to save space.

2. Hamas is a disaster.

The cowardly Hamas incursion on 7 October must stand as one of the most ill-conceived military adventures in history. Hamas presumably imagined that, having taken all those hostages, they'd then sit down with the Israelis and negotiate a few concessions for the return of the hostages, or maybe have a prisoner swap.

How wrong they were! Netanyahu and his right-wing backers were just waiting for an excuse to come down hard on the Palestinians. Some believe their end goal is the annexation of the whole of Palestine to create a biblical Eretz Israel, from the river to the sea.

4.Israel should have withdrawn from the West Bank long ago.

If by this Michael means also withdrawing the residents from the Jewish settlements this is easier said than done. There are now nearly 150 of them, and many of them have been there for years. I suspect none of them have any intention of ever returning back within Israel's UN specified boundaries.

But is the alternative, their integration into a Palestinian State, feasible?

My fear is that the people who keep Netanyahu in power plan to annex the West Bank, which is why they so vehemently oppose the "Two State Solution".

5.Everything should be negotiable, but one thing is not. The Palestinian leadership must stop poisoning the minds of children and teaching them that Israel is evil and that their duty is to eliminate all Jews from it by becoming martyrs who will be rewarded in heaven.

I absolutely agree. The indoctrination of the next generation must stop.

The Palestinian extremists and their supporters in Iran must accept that Israel is a fait accompli and totally support its existence, as many Arab countries have. Moreover, these accepters need to be more proactive in putting pressure on their Islamic colleagues to join them in accepting Israel, for the sake of peace and for the sake of the welfare of the Palestinian people.

Whether this is likely to happen in Iran while the mullahs hold sway is a moot question.

The most constructive thing that supporters of the Palestinians could do is to convince the Iranians and Hamas and Hezbollah and the other extreme Islamists that Israel has a right to exist, so that a path to peace can be negotiated. Until that happens, they can't really blame the Israelis for being stroppy with them.

Protesting the violence is attacking a symptom - they need to attack the cause: Israel denialism. Israel is not going to go away.

But, as I argue in a previous article (https://rationalemagazine.com/index.php/2024/01/31/if-you-want-peace-in-palestine-dont-start-from-here/), the Israelis must also acknowledge that as a result of the Israelis gaining something, the Palestinians have lost something, and maybe reparations are required. The Israelis need to make it a zero-sum game for the Palestinians, not a stark loss.

7 .… Israel has gone much too far now and should indicate a genuine and serious willingness for a ceasefire.

That depends on what Israel's aim is, apart from the stock "we have a right to defend ourselves" mantra. If the aim of Netanyahu and his supporters is taking over the whole of Palestine, as some suspect, then they haven't gone far enough yet.

But if saner heads prevail, a ceasefire should be possible.

10. The characterisation of Israel as ‘colonial’ is simplistic and unhistoric.

Strictly speaking this is true. As far as exploitative colonialism is concerned, such as occurred in many parts of Africa and South Asia and to a lesser extent, South America, where a European power annexed a territory, exploited its material, and in some cases, human, resources, and then left, there is no similarity.

However, it must be conceded that there are some similarities with settler colonisation, as occurred in North America, Australia, and South Africa, in which a large number of Europeans actually settle in a territory, displace the existing population and set up a society that largely excludes them. While it is true that there have always been some Jews in Palestine, the new arrivals were predominantly European in their culture and outlook. Indeed, Jews from the Middle East with a more Semitic background who migrated to Israel sometimes complained about being treated as inferior by the majority European oriented migrants.

And while it is true that the settlers in Israel were not proxies for a European power, as in colonialism strictly defined, the Zionists were in a sense proxies for Jewish communities around the world, who not only contributed materially to the establishment of Israel, but felt they were, in a sense, part of it, and gained comfort from its existence. So, as they say in the classics, it's complicated!

13. Whatever the horror and injustice of the current situation, even worse is happening elsewhere e.g. Sudan, Syria, and the world does not care. … This selective outrage is what leads some in the Jewish community to perceive the worldwide opposition to Israel as partly based on ingrained, historic - albeit often subconscious - antisemitism.

It is true that the awful things that are happening in other places don't seem to get the attention they deserve, both from our political leaders and from the media, while every night on the news one of the first items is how many Palestinians or Lebanese have been killed in the latest IDF bombardment. I think one of the main reasons that this occurs in Australia is because of the existence of significant Jewish and expatriate Middle Eastern communities here, who have a stake. But I am sure that conscious and unconscious antisemitism also plays a part. Sad to say, there is a stain of antisemitism (and racism and misogyny) buried deep in the Australian psyche which will take generations to breed out.

In Conclusion

Thank you, Michael, for your honest and provocative piece which has helped me to clarify my own views.

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